Three progressives discuss surviving and thriving in the world of Trump

A conversation with Kitty Snyder and John Laurits, on how progressives can survive and thrive in a Trump administration. In particular, how can we express ourselves through protests and actions, without alienating or being blatantly disrespectful to Trump supporters? Can we join forces in any way?

(Apologies for the last few seconds getting cut off.)

Kitty was a super-volunteer for Bernie Sanders in Philadelphia, who I met at a debate watch party for the second debate in the Democratic primaries (a few days after “datagate“). Kitty was, for me, the visual symbol of the campaign and the Democratic National Convention, where we both were delegates for Bernie Sanders. Kitty is also an editor for the Thompson Timeline, which is an academic study and documentation of the investigation of Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while serving as secretary of state. She is also an administrator for their excellent Facebook group, and is the author of the article that partially inspired this conversation.

John is the “math blogger” and journalist that kept hope alive for Bernie supporters for a few months in the second half the campaign. John was at the DNC as a protester across the street in FDR Park, and we had a three-part interview where we thoroughly discussed our experiences. John is also an organizer of Occupy inauguration, which is been endorsed by many progressive organizations including Jill Stein, and is the first major demonstration to be conducted directly among Trump supporters. You can support John on his Patreon website.

We discuss the following and more:

– How the Democratic Party lost this election for themselves, but is desperately trying to blame anyone and everything, such as sexism, racism, Jill Stein voters, James Comey, and calling Bernie Sanders this election’s Ralph Nader spoiler. And how the media is also significantly responsible, and continues to discourage conversation and solidarity.

– Do we need to change our priorities, now that there is so much more to be protested? Do we give Trump supporters any input in prioritizing this list? For example, stopping the Dakota access pipeline is currently one of our most important causes, but once Trump takes office, he has openly stated that he will allow fossil fuel companies to do whatever they like. Do we continue the fight, despite knowing that this one will likely be lost? Do we document for years of suffering at the hands of this loss (not to mention the ongoing brutality against water protectors)?

– There is clearly overlap between progressives and Trump supporters, in that “the system is broken.” Can we get creative in working together? For example, Kitty brings up the intriguing idea of ending the war on drugs, which in turn would ease the problem of immigration, since transporting drugs illegally between Mexico and the United States would be dramatically reduced.

The most important thing progressives can do is reach out to Trump supporters with an open mind. If we start from the point of view that it is our job to educate Trump supporters on how they are misguided, then there is no hope for us. Some (and we believe few) of Trump’s supporters are blatant racists. Some of his supporters may very well do things that directly hurt those we care about. And none of this diminishes the fact that they deserve our respect. Kitty: “If you want this country to be less racist than you need to spend some time figuring out why people become racist.” We may view the world in different ways, but we all have the same core needs: providing for our families, staying safe, giving a good education to our kids, taking care of our loved ones when they are sick.

We must get off of our computers, stop watching television, get out of the house, and start talking to people that disagree with us. Get involved with their groups. Invite them to become involved in ours. Let’s help each other survive. Even if we do this kind of outreach perfectly, the next four years will still likely be extremely difficult for all sides.

Charles Ortel: 40 days, 40 pieces of evidence that “the Clinton Foundation is not just a fraud, it’s a massive fraud”

(Apologies on the missing final seconds.)

Charles Ortel is a whistleblower who, during the financial meltdown of 2008, researched and revealed fraud by General Electric to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. As described in one of his earliest articles on the subject, in March of 2015, he became suspicious of the Clinton Foundation and turned his full time attention to investigating it. Starting on September 6, 2016, and for 40 days, Charles will be releasing a series of one article per day on the Clinton Foundation, on his website.

While open about his disdain towards the Clintons (and to a lesser extent, the Bushes), he asserts the evidence in his research is comprehensive, objective, and well sourced. “This is not simply a fraud–which it is–it’s a massive fraud. And it’s a massive fraud that people in both parties, inside this country and in numerous countries around the world, have either willingly or unwillingly overlooked for almost 20 years… [In these 40 daily reports, we will be] revealing billions and billions of dollars of corrupt practices… This is Tammany Hall on steroids. This is not just confined to New York, it’s [global].” Beyond wanting to bring justice to the Clintons, Ortel is also motivated by the majority of those who donate to charities, who are not wealthy.

If none of the scandals associated to the Clintons over the years have brought them down, why does Ortel believe that this one can? Because in corporate fraud, it is required to prove intent, implying that the onus is on prosecutors to prove a crime was committed. This is not true with charity fraud, where it is the charity’s responsibility to prove that there is no fraud, implying that their paperwork must always be comprehensive, up-to-date, and publicly accessible. In other words, if someone at a charity commits fraud, they can go to jail even if they didn’t mean it. “And these rules are crystal-clear… It’s not like they’re buried in thousands of pages. They are crystal-clear.”

“Bill Clinton wrote a book in 2007 called ‘Giving‘ [for which he was paid $6.3 million]. I will be taking that book, which is in the public domain, and using it to indict him. In the first person, he declares crime after crime after crime… When you get involved in a charity and you don’t bother to know all the rules that apply to charities, [since intent is not required,] you can commit charity fraud.” He also points to the case of Hillary Clinton superdelegate and Democratic Florida congresswoman, Corrine Brown, who was indicted last month by the Obama administration’s Justice Department for $800,000 in charity fraud, and is facing the possibility of hundreds of years in prison.

People who commit fraud, “they have no moral compass, but they tend to be brilliant… They’re tough people to catch.” Regarding the Clintons, “we’re not talking about uneducated rubes. We’re talking about a Rhodes scholar, we’re talking about a Yale Law school graduate, and with Chelsea were talking about someone with a PhD and two other degrees. These are smart people. If they wanted to reveal the truth…they would’ve done it.”

“One of the oldest questions in the book is, who’s regulating the regulators? [Ratings agencies such as] Charity Watch and Charity Navigator are both very small enterprises. [They have minimal revenue, budget, and staff, and] are not equipped to evaluate the Clinton Foundation.” Although not accused of anything illegal, this is not unlike the influence and corruption of ratings agencies in the 2008 crash, from which GE, at the time it’s massive fraud was revealed, had a AAA rating. (I also can’t help but be reminded of this.)

As a former computer professional, I was interested in a potential and very specific technical issue. Some critical sources in Ortel’s research refer to information on websites that he does not control. I asked if it was a concern that perhaps some of these documents may be removed or altered, therefore invalidating or compromising his work. He pointed out that the Clinton Foundation’s website itself “is already gamed”. Documents have been removed in an alleged effort to suppress incriminating information (which is in itself an illegal act). That said, despite some required documents not being on the Clinton Foundation website, they are indeed available on the websites of other organizations, states, and countries. “I have what I need.”

A post script from Mr. Ortel: “For you and for your audience, I’m going to be so bold as to give you all an assignment.” He suggests reading Thomas Jefferson’s only book from 1787, where he predicted the current “political convulsion”, which is an inevitable reaction to rapidly growing corruption, derived from money and “growing lazy”. (In my interpretation, the laziness is the vegetative state people have taken in front of the so-called news and their personal electronic devices.) Ortel paraphrases: “There will come a time when there will be a convulsion. [Where] the chains that are tearing us down will be thrown off and we will enter a new era…or we will basically disappear.”

(Shout out to Kitty Snyder, a fellow Bernie Sanders super-volunteer and DNC delegate who I worked with throughout the 2016 Democratic primaries. Kitty is also a copy editor for the Thompson Timeline, through which she met Charles. To me, Kitty is the visual symbol representing the struggle of the Bernie delegates at the Democratic National convention.)

Nuisance: Sat 7/23: “Let us in!” – Bernie delegates shut out of “completely open, public, and democratic” rules committee. [Timestamped highlights]

(Specific highlights from this video are below.)

I’m packing for the DNC, planning on leaving the next morning, Sunday the 24th, at 11 AM. I’m texting with Kitty Snyder for something unrelated. Kitty is a delegate and super volunteer for Bernie Sanders in Pennsylvania. After a while she says to me

> They’re being dicks at the rules committee.
> Not letting delegates in.

I thought she was watching something online. But then she sent this picture, making it clear that she was actually there, at the Convention Center.

(The “Convention Center” is different than the Wells Fargo Center, where the convention is actually being held; The convention center is in Center City, where many secondary events and conferences are being held; the Wells Fargo Center is in South Philly, a few miles down Broad Street).

Kitty had never live streamed before, and I taught her how to do it within a few texts. This was Citizens’ Media TV‘s first DNC video of the week, and it was viewed by more than 50,000 people, and “reached” almost 400,000 people (meaning those who saw it in their newsfeeds).



Delegates got in line at 11, for a meeting that started at 1pm, and stayed until 4:30. As of 8:30, the meeting was still on going.

Highlights from this video:

The first nine minutes: Setting the stage

People describe the basics of what’s going on, the tone is set, Barney Frank passes by and gets an earful, we hear the initial chants:

– “open the doors! Louder!”
– “Down with TPP!”
– “Find a bigger room!”
– “Shame on the DNC, I don’t see no unity!”

The meeting is supposedly “open to the public”, but delegates are being told that it is now only open to those with credentials–but delegates do not receive their credentials until Monday morning at their state-hotels. There’s also speculation that the meeting is being held in one of the smaller rooms in the Convention hall, despite there being many empty rooms much larger in size.

There’s also speculation that Hillary supporters were allowed in, and since it is a voice vote, despite only those on the platform committee being allowed to vote, The voices of those supporters are also counted.

30:13-32:35: Update from Bernie rules committee member

A Sanders rules committee member gives an update from the inside.

54:15-1:04:55: “Attention!”

Someone with a megaphone says, “Attention: we are streaming in room 121”. But Bernie supporters shout him down with, “Let us in!”.

“Why won’t you go and watch the live stream?”

“Because we’re not here to watch TV. We’re here to participate in the democratic process.”

1:08:20-1:13:30: Heated argument.

Hillary supporter: “We’re not angry, but yelling about superdelegates is not going to change the system. You want to change the rules, you need to abide by the rules.”

Bernie supporter: “We RSVP-d to this event and they purposefully picked one of the smallest rooms to exclude everybody from it.”

Bernie supporter: “We are asking to be included in the conversation”

Hillary supporter: “You’re not asking, you’re demanding.”

Bernie supporter: “You’re damn right where demanding, this is a democracy. That’s how we got a republic. It was a revolution.”

Hillary supporter: “You people don’t know the rules.”

Bernie supporter: “We are here to change the rules.”

Hillary supporter: “One of them knew the rules and played by the rules and won by the rules. The other didn’t know the rules.”

Hillary supporter?: “I voted for the guy, I donated money to his campaign, and he lost. It’s time to move forward. The system is win or lose, someone’s going to lose. Bernie lost, Hillary one. Time to move forward.”

Hillary supporter: “You can’t accommodate–what, 13 million people?–Who gets sore feelings when their candidate loses. you can’t just say ‘Aw, I’m sorry you’re upset. We’re going to change on everything because you’re upset.'”

Bernie supporter: “You read the Wikileaks and you’re still with her?”

Hillary supporter: “We read all the Wikileaks last night.”

Bernie supporter: “Oh you read all of them. All 20,000 of them. And you’re still with her. Good for you.”

1:17:15-1:19:40

Kind older lady from Texas who is a Bernie supporter and I believe on the rules committee, gives a nice breeze description of what’s going on.

Nuisance: Sat 23: “Let us in!” – Follow-up interview with CA delegate Robert Shearer

A follow up interview from last post, with Robert Shearer, a California (CD-02) Delegate for Bernie Sanders, standing in line right next to Citizens’ Media TV correspondent, Kitty Snyder. Robert and I review briefly what happened, then talk about how he and other delegates were approached by Sanders Campaign Director, Jeff Weaver, regarding Monday afternoon’s meeting with Bernie Sanders, and the concerns of delegates for making it to the opening gavel (on opening day) on time.

We end with how the Bernie Sanders delegation is attempting to propose changing the superdelegate process, and how the Sanders campaign is not officially supporting the delegates in this effort.

Nuisance: Sun 24: Controversy and confusion about Monday’s private meeting with Bernie Sanders and his entire DNC delegation.

Confusion and controversy about Bernie Sanders speaking to his delegation. Fear that going could cause delegates to miss the opening gavel, and therefore being taken advantage of in the same fashion as happened at the Nevada state Democratic convention.

(The “expected start time” in Nevada was 10 AM, but the first vote actually happened at 9:30 AM, before many Bernie Sanders delegates were in the room. This resulted in, among other things, “Roberta’s rules” being implemented, which resulted in many decisions being made against Bernie delegates throughout the convention.)

Originally the conference time (“delegate event”) was at 2 o’clock in Center City, and opening gavel is at the Wells Fargo Center at 3 o’clock in South Philly. I am from Philadelphia. It is simply not possible to get 1,900 delegates from the center of town (the “Convention Center” is at 11th and Arch–which is not where the DNC proper is held) to the Wells Fargo Center in a single hour. And this assumes that Bernie Sanders does not speak at all during this 2 o’clock event.

It turns out that the opening gavel was changed to 4 o’clock. Despite this, there was still skepticism part of some delegates. Ultimately, the delegate event changed to 12:30, which alleviated most of the concerns.

California delegate Melissa and I discuss this during the private delegation speech on Monday:

(In the original video, this is at the 5min:30sec mark.)

A fellow delegate, Kitty Snyder from Pennsylvania, confirmed that Jeff Weaver personally told her and others a couple hours ago, in person, right after finishing this live stream at the Convention Center–that the of opening gavel time for Monday was changed to 4 PM, and that we should indeed go to the 2 PM meeting with Bernie Sanders.

The official Campaign texts also confirm this:

In this video, Adryenn Ashley, my partner from Citizens’ Media TV, knows Nina Turner personally, and she confirmed this to be true. Delegates should indeed go to the 2 PM meeting.

I must say, this would’ve been a whole lot less stressful, if our concerns were simply addressed as they came up, and not deleted and ignored by the campaign.

UPDATE (8/26/2016): Mr. Sanchez privately contacted me and stated that it was not his intention to be rude or inconsiderate. Rather, it was just a case of being overwhelmed by the concerns of many hundreds of delegates and given only limited information to work with,

From: (This link is private except to group members.)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/OfficialBernieSandersNationalDelegates/permalink/1618823795098970/

Followup, from: (This link is private except to group members.)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/OfficialBernieSandersNationalDelegates/permalink/1619280231719993/

Nuisance: Tues 7/26: #DNCwalkout part 1/2. Bernie Sanders’ concession triggers mass walkout of 500-1,200 delegates. Heavy police presence. [Timestamped highlights]

This is #DNCWalkOut coverage part one. Go to part two.

Highlights from this video

0-5:05: Delegates stream into the hallway and out the door with chants.

  • “Walk out! Walk out!”
  • “Tell me what democracy looks like! This is what democracy looks like!”
  • “Feel the Bern! Feel the Bern!”

Many different Bernie signs. many phones and cameras. A woman wearing red in a wheelchair. Some people with tape or gags over their mouths.

I was up in the main hallway when this happened. I did not witness Bernie Sanders’ concession speech, nor did I choose to walk out. I was swept up in a massive crowd of Bernie delegates streaming up out of the bowl and into the hallway through their various corridors.

3:20-5:00: “We’re walking out. Democracy died today. Everything good died.”

Jeff: “can you tell us what happened?”

Distraught woman Nevada delegate:

Yeah. We’re walking out. Democracy died today. Everything good died. It was all rigged. It was horrible. Not all, but a lot of us are. A lot of us from Nevada are…

All the WikiLeaks documents that show what we always knew about the DNC cheating. I saw it on the national, state, regional, the local level for the whole year that I was working on the Bernie campaign. Full-time as a volunteer and then as a staffer. It’s a total heartbreak. And I feel like democracy has been dying, and it was killed today.

I still believe in Bernie, but I don’t know what he did. I don’t understand what he did. I still believe in him and his integrity, but I can’t deal with this anymore.”

Jeff: “Did he do something?”

He basically dispensed with the nominating process and just said, ‘That’s it. Let’s nominate Hillary’. I believe in his integrity, but he also taught to follow and stand for what we believe in.

And I can not in anyway ever support Hillary. And I am so sick of the Democratic Party! I’ve been a democrat since I was 18 and I’m 54, and I can’t stand this shit anymore!

5:05-8:30: “Silent stand in, at the press tent.”

A young woman delegate is directing people “Silent standing at the Press Tent.”

Jeff: “who decided that?”

Delegate: “We came together the delegation, a few of us, and decided.”

She sees the Citizens’ Media TV press pass around my neck.

“And I’m not commenting to the media at the moment.”

She walks away. I am caught off guard.

Jeff: “I’m actually a Bernie delegate.”

Delegate: “Oh yeah? Sorry. I saw a press pass.”

Jeff: “No problem. I’m not officially sanctioned by the DNC, but I am a Bernie delegate.”

Delegate: “Our voices have not been heard, and we’re going to make them heard now. That they have silenced us and not given us the time of day to speak. And we won our voices heard.”

Jeff: “What did he just say inside? I was not there.”

(She shows and vulnerability. “I feel like a dingbat”)

Delegate: “He basically said, ‘Thank you. I move to suspend the rules, and nominate Hillary as the Democratic nominee.’ ”

Jeff: “What does that mean suspend the rules?”

Delegate: “Skip the ending process… As far as my understanding goes. And I’m just a 19-year-old kid, I don’t have a best grasp of these things possible.”

Jeff: “So what was the alternative for him?”

Delegate: “I don’t think there was much of an alternative for him. He could have said, Thanks, let’s wait till they count everything, and get the official total…”

9:05: “Because I am Princess Lea and Bernie is our only hope.”

Continuing to walk throughout the crowd outside of the press tent.

Female Bernie delegate from San Diego, California, dressed up as Princess Leah.

“Why are you dressed as Star Wars?”

“Because I am Princess Lea and Bernie is our only hope.”

11:00: Serious, overwhelming police presence.

Approximately five heavily armed secret service officers, including a K-9 dog. Approximately 20 State police officers on the side of the press tent, between it and the Wells Fargo Center entrance (where the delegates exited).


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(And as I discovered the next day, lots of snipers.)

At the moment the press tent is not fronted by police. Media and delegates are starting to swarm on the outside of the press tent, with many on the inside ready to do a silent protest.

12:30: “Bernie peacekeepers” being interviewed.

“We are peacekeepers. We want to make sure that our delegates and our Bernie volunteers from across the nation make it home safe. And we’re doing our best to de-escalate any conflicts. And to make sure that this event is a peaceful event. Because that’s what we believe most of all is peace, and we are in a fight to save our planet.”

13:10: “They can’t treat us like a four letter word that starts with an S and ends with a T.”

Interview with older woman, Stating how Bernie is the one who could’ve united the country and Bernie is the one that could’ve beaten Trump.

They can’t treat us like a four letter word that starts with an S and ends with a T. And then, every time we try to do something, they would scream ‘Unity! Unity!’

And when the New York delegates met, they wouldn’t follow Roberts rules of order, they wouldn’t let us vote, they wouldn’t let us make motions. It wasn’t democratic. And when we’d start to yell anything, they would scream “unity!’.

And the worst thing is that a guy that wasn’t even a delegate, he shouldn’t of even been there, he hit a young lady with a cane. We have it on video, We know his name, we know her name. She filed a police report, and none of the major media [picked it up]. The guy that left at the chair got reported up one side and down the other, Because he was a Bernie supporter. The guy that hit our delegate with the cane [shrug]. So what?

14:45: I review what’s happened.

“Bernie Sanders basically unofficially lost. And instead of going through the process so it would be an official thing. That they would officially go through the count and do the ceremony. That he said, We are done. I concede. Hillary has one. So people seem to be upset that, we just wanted to go through the whole process. We wanted to have the closure. That’s as best as I understand it.

I’ll be honest, I don’t agree with this walk out. I’m with Senator Sanders. I’m OK with him doing this. But that seems to be the sentiment of what’s going on.

(I’m missing the bigger picture of voter fraud and being minimized and disrespected throughout the campaign.)

15:40: Philadelphia police are starting to line the outside of the Press tent, forbidding people from entering or leaving it.

Press is starting to clamber around the outside of the press tent, focusing their cameras on the inside.

Dual interview with BYE Idaho, college tv reporters. Philadelphia police are starting to line up on the outside and inside of the press tent glass front wall.

19:03: BYE Reporter: “I’m Canadian, so I can’t vote. I’m super neutral. I think it’s great that they’re protesting, I just hope it doesn’t get out of hand.”

20:40: Second youngest Bernie delegate (in the country?): “The fucking democratic party chair just resigned, and they have not apologized or said anything to us.”

Daniel Carter, Bernie delegate from Saint Augustine Florida, “the oldest city in America”.

“We did lose. And I will be voting for Hillary Clinton in November, But I will not be volunteering for her, I won’t won’t be all out for her like I am for Bernie Sanders. She is a far better candidate than Donald Trump in my opinion. That’s my opinion and I don’t want him to be president. I am a young black African-American, And he is scary. What he will do to our country, I don’t want that.”

He confirms that part of what is making these protesters upset is the lack of closure. That Bernie Sanders short-circuited the process and arguably didn’t let it go all the way to the end as he promised.

22:35: Daniel Carter discusses what Black Lives Matter means to him. (FYI, the Wells Fargo Center is in the background)

24:10: Brief interview of me with Rowan University student reporter

26:40: Police officer outside of the press tent: “Give us some time. Give us some time. You got your credentials. Once we clear everything’s good, you can go right back in.”

He reassures that no equipment is being vandalized and cops are on the inside protecting everything, and that no problems are occurring.

Officer: “Give us some time. Give us some time. You got your credentials. Once we clear everything’s good, you can go right back in.”

27:45: Cameras swarm around Chris Pompelli, so-called Bernie delegate: “These people are useful tools of Donald Trump!!”

Chris Pompelli, a self described, so called Bernie Sanders delegate from Kansas, yelling in anger about the delegates that walked out. Cameras and media swarm around him.

I will stand with the Democratic party because that’s what Democrats do!

Democrats will stand with Hillary Clinton. They will stand with Bernie Sanders, who is standing with Hillary Clinton!

They are betraying their voters back home. They are betraying Bernie Sanders.

[The democratic voters] want you to walk out on your party. Is that what they want? You are betraying your party, you should go home. It’s time for you to give up your credentials and go home.

If they are going to be betraying this party, they do not belong here.

Jeff: “What is their point of view? What are they upset about?”

Pompelli: “Because they didn’t get their way.”

Jeff: “What is their point of view?”

“I think their point is that they didn’t understand the process and they are betraying their voters back home… They are saying we don’t want to be part of he process, so I’m going to take my marbles and go home, and I’m going to hand the election to Donald Trump. Shame on them.”

I’m very disappointed with how I handled him. Wish I had the chance to do it again.

34:00: “Bernie was threatened with all his committee positions”

34:59: I finally get my head together, and respond to the so-called Bernie delegate’s criticisms.

People can say that they [the Bernie delegates who chose to walk out] are betraying the party. People can say that they are supporting Trump. But they do not feel that. And if you don’t go in there and ask them what they are feeling, what their point of view is–you can say you’re the Democratic Party and everybody’s inclusive, but until you know what they are feeling, until you know what they want? You can say, these petulant children, like this gentleman over here was saying (despite being a Bernie delegate, which I don’t get). These people have valid points of view.

38:55: Walking down the police line on the outside of the press tent, there are also police lining the inside of the window of the press tent.

41:25: Interview with Vermont delegate Shyla Nelson, who seconded Bernie Sanders’ nomination on the DNC stage, and then joined the walkout Minutes later.

Shyla has been one of my mentors throughout the campaign. I worked with her on two major projects.

44:50: Jeff, crying: “First of all, when you said the words ‘Bernie Sanders’ on stage, that was one of the most emotional moments of the campaign for me, so thank you. And it’s been great working with you.”

Shyla gives an overview of the motivations for the walkout, and her part in organizing it. She says its larger than just wanting closure. It’s about systemic issues.

48:45: Ron Suarez joins us. Ron, Shyla, and I all worked together on a major effort that ended up going nowhere, but was historical and exhilarating none-the-less.

Ron discusses his experiences as a critical person in Occupy Wall Street.

He has children who are 1%-ers and big Hillary supporters, asked him to talk to Hillary supporters at the DNC for the sake of unity.

55:40: Ron and I discuss the Superdelegate legal challenge effort.

Jeff: “Even though it petered out, without explanation, for a long while there, we were doing one of the more exciting things that I have ever been involved with.”

56:45: Ron: “For me, that’s what being part of the movement is all about. Feeling like you’re part of something.”

Ron ran the Superdelagate effort website. He talks about his involvement in Occupy Wall Street, and how the software companies he created were sold for millions, but treated his employees with dignity.

59:40: Ron: “I want to put NGP-VAN out of business.”

1:01:05: People sitting on the ground with electrical tape on their mouth, fists in the air, holding and wearing Bernie gear, surrounding a message taped on the ground: “VOTE FRAUD”


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1:03:10: Silent stand in behind the glass wall, which is the front of the press tent.

Jeff:

There’s a very third world feeling about this. Like a refugee camp, where the only contact you can have with those on the other side is fingertips through the gate.

1:03:40: Kitty is a visual symbol of the DNC Bernie protests.

Photo from this article.

Behind her is Amanda, PA Bernie delegates. Have worked with them throughout the primaries.


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1:06:50: I see Michelle (the one crying when we saw the FDR Park supporters across the street) on the other side of the glass.

I put my fingers in a peace sign up to the glass, in hopes to come as close to touching those on the other side as possible.


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1:09:06: Clearer picture of lines of state police on the side.

Nuisance: Tues 7/26: #DNCWalkout part 2/2, and going to FDR Park to join our supporters.

This is #DNCWalkOut coverage part two. Go to part one.

(This is the fixed up version. The original, badly-out-of-sync version is at the bottom of the post.)

0-~33:00: The biggest mystery of the DNC: did Nina Turner invite Bernie delegates to march with her down Broad Street?

I unsuccessfully investigate whether or not Nina Turner has truly invited Bernie delegates to March with her down Broad Street. A Bernie delegate announced this sometime during the previous livestream (unsure if I captured it on film), but after confirming this with my Citizens’ Media TV partner, Adryenn, she personally texted Nina, who responded “It’s not true.”

I interview the delegate who announced this at 11:55 in this video. His name is Jeff from Vermont, who states that Shyla Nelson got this information from Nina. I do believe that Shyla has a direct connection to Nina, so I don’t know what to believe.

My concern is that delegates will be going to a March that does not exist, or at the very least dividing the delegation up due to conflicting information.

I have not yet had a chance to follow up with what actually happened, if anything. All I know is that some delegates traveled by Subway to City Hall, missed the march, and traveled back to FDR Park. I never heard positive or negative about Nina Turner being involved, nor about the March itself.

0: I ask Josh Fox if he would be willing to confirm this confusion with Nina Turner, and he says that he will check it out. He walks away abruptly without giving a method of communicating that result to me.

8:35: Jordan Chariton from TYT interviews Jeff, the Vermont delegate I refer to above.

1120, Jordan asks about the March with Tina Turner.

11:55: I discuss this issue with that delegate.

13:13: Jeff states that Shyla is there spokesperson, and he will check with her. I never hear anything about it.

15:35: Black Lives Matter activist: “The revolution motherfucking continues!”

Black lives matter activist, using a “mic-check” call and response, announces the march down Broad Street with Nina Turner, instructing people to take the subway to join.

16:05: NJ delegates, Richard and Diane

17:00: Diane: “I am torn, because as a Bernie delegate, if I behave badly, I make Bernie look bad.”

Diane acknowledges all of the injustices that of been done against Bernie Sanders, but is conflicted because “Bernie has already directed us to behave the right way.”

18:10: I play a stupid-but-funny joke on Richard.

Richard: “I am Richard MacFarlane from New Jersey, and I have something to say.”

I point the camera at him. He says “This is what I have to say: I–“. I pan the camera away and say “Thanks Richard.” Laughter.

Richard predicts that upcoming elections will not have “rigged elections, which they do so blatantly”, because of social media–as is broadcasting him as he says these words. “They can’t get away with it anymore.”

19:10: Richard: “I didn’t know it [the walk out] was going to happen… It wasn’t a matter of wanting to participate or not. I saw 2,000 people walking out of the building, and it seemed like the most interesting thing going on at that exact second.”

Richard: “When you take a group of people and you treat them like this, they are going to react in ways that are, A, unpredictable, and B, you don’t want them to react. This is just a little social experiment that the Democratic Party has been having. But it didn’t work out the way they expected it to.”

20:10: Diane’s views on the walk out: “We didn’t just like Bernie Sanders, we loved him.”

There were quite a few that stayed. But there were quite a few that walked out…

Bernie has been very clear, he has directed us to represent him well. On the other hand I understand what they’re doing. These are young people and they’re very upset.

And quite honestly I think we need to go through the process of grief because we didn’t just like Bernie Sanders, we love him. And him not winning is like the very best in us is not going to go forward.

But we have a responsibility to Bernie to make sure that that very progressive platform is acted upon, because currently it’s just words. But if and when Hillary gets elected, who will hold her accountable? It won’t be Republicans, it won’t be her followers. It will be the Bernie people.

22:35: Jeff: “Maybe it was ‘rude and disrespectful’ of them to do that, but is that as important as why they are doing it?”

23:00: Diane:

Their ideas have been trampled on. I’m a little bit older and maybe I’m desensitized. I’ve seen this happen before.

Most of the people in this walkout are really young. I feel that if I walk out, then the party doesn’t have the counterbalance that it needs.

24:40: Back to the Nina Turner controversy. Briefly interviewed by Fox news about it.

27:05: Gotcha-interview by Fox News, with the delegate I was just talking to. Roger Ailes directly insults him. He handles it all gracefully.

29:25: Delegate: “[Roger Ailes just] called me a dirty hippie, and I called him a capitalist pig.”

Yes, really. That Roger Ailes. Ailes is never caught on video, but you can hear the beginning of his interruption at 29:00. Unfortunately, the audio cuts out at this moment, but it may be in the original, unsynced video.


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31:15: I meet CA delegate Robert Shearer in person for the first time, after interviewing him on the phone on Saturday afternoon.

32:10: Delegates standing in solidarity with fists in the air and take over their mouth’s in front of the press tent, holding a banner “#BS 2016”.

32:55: Things are starting to die down.

I walk into the press tent and see Shyla Nelson on the phone.

I also see Vermont delegate Jeff, and conclude that even if The march with Nina Turner is not true, the destination of that March is directly across the street, so my concerns are generally alleviated.

35:40: I decide to go to FDR Park. I join Shyla and other members of the Vermont delegation.

37:20: Kitty and Sara join us. Kitty was also on the superdelegate effort with Shyla and me.

37:30: I give Kitty a big hug.

37:30: Sara Long: “Extremely pissed off woman and Latino. I’m done and going to FDR Park. Goodbye.”

Sara Is an ex-Sanders campaign staffer, Michigan delegate, and super volunteer. She was a substitute director at my Campaign office in Pemberton New Jersey for a day.

38:00: Kitty and Shyla meet in person for the first time.

38:40: We head off to FDR Park from the press tent. Thanks and pleasantries are shared between the delegates and the police.

44:55: Brief interview with the organizer for Coalition of the 57 (representing the fifty states and seven territories in the primaries)

The goal of this organization is to communicate again monks all the delegations to create our own version of unity.

46:00: Yahoo! News’ coverage of the walk out: “The roll call went smoothly and few no signs of protest… A few Sanders delegates walked out”

The party appeared to unify after a fractious start to the convention Monday….There were a few signs of protests from the Sanders’ supporters, but far less than Monday’s…a few Sanders delegates walked out I had of the final rollcall, and a delegate held up a sign that said ‘rigged’ as Nevada cast its vote.

46:55: Delegates estimate the amount of those participating in the walk out.

47:30: A glimpse of the picture showing many red empty seats.

47:50: Discussion with @bhatanyreport reporter who recorded the beginning of the walk out, with the Wells Fargo Center in the background.

49:10: Jeff: “That was Roger Ailes?! That was fucking Roger Ailes.”

Reporter: “He may be a pig [referring to the insult lobbed him by delegate], but he was there at least.”

51:20: Jeff: “Okay FDR Park peeps. I’m coming… I want to big hug from everyone.”

54:00: Crossing the street by going up two blocks, through an opening in the security gate, and then back two blocks.

With Kitty.

47:50: A shot of the lights of Center City in the distance.

58:25: Kitty reads from an article of the walkout by the Associated Press.

The article acknowledges “a large group” walked out.

59:55: Kitty describes what Bernie Sanders actually said at the end of roll call, which triggered the walk out.

1:00:30: our first glimpse of the march down Broad Street–although I believe this is a different March then was referred to by the delegates.

There are helicopters close overhead.

As I learned afterwards, this is when the Bernie supporter March encounters the Black Lives Matter March underneath the Route 76 overpass. Black Lives Matter unsuccessfully attempted to enter the highway and block traffic. I did not know any of this at the time.

1:01:36: A supporter from the streets describes the scene: “This is something different. This is angry.”

He clarifies that this is not Nina’s March. “Be careful. they are planning on trying to take down the fence.” Potentially referring to Black Lives Matter?

1:02:45: Lots of people. Not really a March, but lots of people holding signs.

We are on Broad Street, walking back south towards Pattison Avenue the intersection where the entrance of FDR Park is. A diagonal entrance at the southwest corner.

Kitty and I start to see a lot of people with signs and walking around.

1:03:00: The first sign I see is a large banner: “Hillary has blood on her hands.” Pretty blurry.

1:04:15: “I’m going to get a little bit away from the ‘Fuck the police’ people.”

14:55: We start to see a March. “Black lives matter! Black lives matter!” Our best estimation is 4,000 people. I didn’t know it at the time, but Meira, the person I encounter below, is right behind Kitty.

1:05:40: “What do we want?! Justice! When do we want it?! Now!”

1:06:05: Kitty: “I think whoever is in there [still in the Wells Fargo Center] is protesting Bill Clinton, because he deserves To be. But I can’t. I can’t stand to look at his face.”

1:07:05: A pallet of cold, bottled, much appreciated water.

1:07:38: A view of the pallet.

1:07:45: Reunion with Jordan from Philly.FYI/Philly Awakening.

1:09:00-1:09:35: Brief glimpse of Vermin Supreme from New Hampshire. Runs as a presidential candidate every election, and where’s a long black rubber boot as a hat. Kitty described him.

1:09:05: “Banks got bailed out! We got sold out!”

1:09:35: Much clearer view of the crowd. Now in the middle of the March.

1:09:55: Jeff: “What. A. Day! It’s a revolution. Buckle up!”

1:10:30: Chants fade down, Singing fades up: “We are in this together. Yeah yeah. We the people! We the people! We the people!”

1:11:25: Kitty is standing in her long red dress, smiling, hands raised with peace signs.

1:12:10: I’m live streaming someone live streaming me.

1:12:25: Regarding Black Lives Matter: “We had a fantastic little head on collision, so we came back.”

Spontaneous Bernie March (“Pro Bernie, anti-Hillary”) started from FDR Park and going north on Broad, encountered a Black Lives Matter March (the man mistakenly says it was a Black Men for Bernie March).

Jill Stein is leading the March. We don’t see her.

1:13:40: “Jill not hill!”

1:14:00: Emotional reunion with Meira Marom, a super-volunteer from New York, and Bard for Bernie (Suess for Sanders), who wrote a poem on Facebook about Bernie Sanders, every single day during the campaign.

I never saw her in person. We worked together on The superdelegate effort with Shyla, Kitty, and Ron. I recognize her immediately. She has actually been behind me for five minutes.

“Meira?”

Meira: “Oh my God.”

Hugs.

Jeff: “I recognized you. So good to see you. I just left Shyla.”

1:15:00: Jill Stein is about to speak in the distance. Can’t see her. Can barely hear her. Lots of cameras and lights on her.

1:16:00: “Bullhorn for Jill!”

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1:17:15: Interesting view of a big yellow flag being waved, Camera pointing straight up in the air.

1:18:40: Jill continues to speak, clearly now, but I can see nothing but a wall of people and lights and cameras.

1:20:50: Meira talks about visiting Shyla in Vermont,

“So what brought you down here?”

A year-long dedication and devotion to the movement… We are the ones we’ve been waiting for…

I am Bernie or Bust. I’m probably going to vote for Jill Stein. But of course I’m going to vote. Absolutely. Absolutely.

And of course we need to change Congress too. And when we go to vote we are also going to be picking members of Congress…and voting third-party does not mean not voting. It doesn’t mean voting for Trump. It means voting for our conscience.

She and her friend are both holding a tombstone saying “Democracy: Slain by fraud: 2016.”

1:22:35: Caitlin from Seattle: “… And I’m doing this for my daughter, so she never has to know about voting for the lesser of two evils.

Holding a Bernie or Bust sign. “She’s 11 years old and she is so proud of me for being here.”

1:24:25: Jeff, responding to a live stream viewer: “Hi Laurel. I am being very careful. See all the police who are here to protect me? I am being very careful.”

Police were standing right next to me, Already in frame, before I started saying that.

1:24:30: Clearing up misconceptions of all the police at the walk out. Fears that they were there to prevent delegates from leaving or reentering the building. They were only there in anticipation of something happening. Nothing did.

1:25:55: Moshi O’Connor, from New York, sister of a Bernie delegate from Connecticut. The other one holding a tombstone.

Tough couple of days… This whole thing was rigged. Bernie was robbed… It stings and it hurts. He ran a clean campaign… He definitely lit a fire inside of me, and I’m going to keep on fighting.

I am Bernie or Bust. I will be voting for that warrior woman over there, Jill Stein. Dr. Jill Stein.

1:28:00: Meira talks about how meaningless the DNC public apology to Bernie is, since they’re not going to do anything about it. No revote. No investigation.

Jeff: “Using ‘sorry’ as an excuse to do whatever you want.”

1:29:20: The entrance of FDR Park (the sign), and lots and lots of police. Presumably many having exited the park since it is near curfew time.

1:30:10: Talking with the police officer, who I’m not putting on camera, about being able to stay in the park overnight. Originally there was resistance from the Philly government about doing so, but this police officer says that people are welcome to pitch a tent and sleep over.

This was a point of contention between my organization, Philly.FYI and the Philadelphia government. It is a relief to hear him say this. This is a very big concession that we fought for.

1:33:50: Meira and I talk about Ron Suarez, who we worked with together on, with Shyla.

1:34:50: Meira: Seen on Twitter: “If the Bernie or Buster movement stop their childish behavior, we will CONSIDER (all caps) consider forgiving us for our rowdy ways.”

1:35:40: Baby being carried in a chest-front carrier.

1:37:25-1:42:05: Emotional reunion with Eric Beechwood.

Eric and I have been struggling to create a connection between Bernie supporters and delegates. In a way we failed today, but as you’ll see tomorrow, we ended up having an even bigger success (article coming…).

1:42:25-1:46:00: Ashley Perkins, Bernie delegate from Connecticut, at the end of an interview. Then we talk.

“I spoke to Rosario Dawson for an hour. An hour! She is so down to earth.”

Addressing the concern that the walkout would result in our credentials would be stripped for the rest of the convention. “I don’t think they would strip our credentials and then say ‘Vote for Hillary’. I don’t think that makes that much sense.”

1:46:30: Ooh ooh ooh peace singing group. Bizarre and beautiful experience. Directly in the middle of the Broad and Pattison intersection.

Holding melting candles with small white paper plates for the dripping wax.

Over the course of five minutes this group, with new additions, gradually surrounds me (and other livestreamers) in a circle.


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“We’re the ones we’ve been waiting for. We’re the ones we’ve been waiting for.”


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“one love.”


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“We are the ones.”


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Sign: “Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity.”


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Sign: “FREE HUGS”

“Everybody sing.”

Eric describes the situation.

1.54:50: They sit.


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1:55:20: Reunion with Jamhar. We had some tension working together at Philly.FYI, but it’s genuinely nice seeing him.


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Help me fix the original video, please.

As described in this question-post, after the first five minutes in the original version of this video, the video track goes badly out of sync with its audio track. I don’t know how to fix this, and I need help. I think the above “fixed” video could be a lot better, with potentially some of the dropped audio (like Roger Ailes) restored. If you know how to do this, please contact me or leave a comment below. Thanks.